Border Patrol Agent

Border Patrol Agent

Oscar

Charleston, SC

Male, 31

Spent a bit over four years (2006-2010) serving as a Border Patrol Agent in Tucson Sector, AZ: the busiest sector in the country. Worked numerous positions, and spent the last year and a half operating/instructing ground radar installations. Duties included: field patrols, transport, processing, control room duties, transportation check, checkpoint operations, static watch duties, etc.

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Last Answer on November 08, 2016

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Did you ever come across a scene like the one from No Country For Old Men where it was just total death and carnage after a drug deal gone bad?

Asked by zark over 4 years ago

I have not personally, but it was not uncommon to come across the remnants of drug violence.  The cartels did battle each other frequently North of the border.  We'd occasionally happen across a shot up vehicle, or blood trails, occasionally a dead body or two.  The really brutal stuff was mainly down South (chopped up bodies etc.)

I'd suspect Phoenix and Tucson PD had more encountered with drug deal scenes - our area was more trafficking and very little to no dealing. 

Is Bill Jordan still a respected name in the service, or has his name been lost to history?

Asked by BlueSheepdog over 4 years ago

The name doesn't ring a bell to me.  I can't say I've ever heard of him.

Are most illegals you intercept carrying guns? Have you ever been shot at? Do you have the right to use deadly force to shoot an unarmed illegal who is running away from you?

Asked by Leesy over 4 years ago

Absolutely not.  While the Border Patrol is paramilitary in its operations and organization, we still follow normal law enforcement procedures.

Most non-cartel related illegals are not bringing firearms here, though it does happen on occasion.  They are often for self-defense from bandits etc., and not for use agains the Border Patrol.  Remember, in Mexico firearms are "illegal", meaning only the powerful, rich, and cartels (who are both powerful and rich) have weapons.

The cartels on the other hand are extremely well armed, moreso than the Border Patrol.  However, there is a small amount of common sense in the cartel members higher up.  They know if they begin a big shooting war with the Border Patrol that security will be stepped up and we'll bring the military to the border etc.  They predominantly stick to shooting at each other and the Mexican police and military (I've witnessed running gun battles on the Mexican side from a radar post).

Even once in the U.S., cartel groups are normally armed in order to fight each other.  We had numerous running gunfights up and down I-10 (main highway from Tucson to Phoenix/California), and gunfights in Tucson, Phoenix and other cities.  There are a lot of shootings in the desert between cartels, bandits, and groups of illegals.  It is normally rare for a BP Agent to be shot at.  This is often a couple of pot shots taken at us from across the border.

I've been on duty during a couple of shootings, but have not been shot at personally.  Likewise, I've drawn my gun in numerous cases and have been fortunate enough to not need to use it.  I've had a fair share of incidents where someone tried to run me over in a vehicle/run me off the road etc.

It does happen though.  Like all law enforcement, we are absolutely justified in using lethal force when threatened with extreme bodily harm/death etc.  In the weeks before I left the Patrol we had five shootings in our area: two were agent involved shootings, one was a sheriff involved shooting, and two more between illegals and bandits.  Only one of these even made the local paper.

The USBP and other government agencies do everything in their power to keep the situation on the border hush-hush.  They don't want people to realize that it's the wild west out there.  The coverage you see on television, and NATGEO is about 10% of the nonsense going on out there.

Now to address your last question - I don't believe ANY law enforcement agency in the country has a policy allowing you to shoot an unarmed person fleeing you (except perhaps in the case of a prisoner fleeing a prison?).  This is what we in the community would refer to as a "bad shoot", meaning the employment of lethal force outside of our "use of force continuum" = a detailed policy which dictates what levels of force an agent is allowed to use in certain circumstances.

These do happen in law enforcement, be it by accident or pure negligence.  That's an unfortunate reality. 

How often do you come across dead migrants? What would you guess is the percentage of people who die on the trip through the desert?

Asked by jIM over 4 years ago

Very often, but this depended very much on the season - needless to say, summer months were the worst.  I could not give you a percentage, but my station would find perhaps 50+ bodies a year.  Add another 100+ in serious physical distress.

Many of the causes of death could not be determined by a simple glance.  In AZ a body will be taken down to bones in less than 72 hours.  When encountering a dead body we would refer it to the local Indian Police who would call their detectives etc.  We were not trained in that stuff, so we'd simply secure the scene.

With all the crime in the desert it was anybody's guess how these people died.  Many of the ones reported to us by other illegals would be located, and had died of dehydration (or some other form of sickness).  We also did a lot of life-flights out of the desert when someone was in a bad way.

When a person gets dehydrated that badly, even if you life-flight them out and they make it to a hospital they will likely die.  We were responsible for hospital watches, where we'd be stationed in a room with a person in custody.  A dehydrated person would make a recovery within a day or two - but often their kidneys and other organs had already gone bad, and they would then pass a day or two later.

Some illegals were shot by bandits or cartel guys, or other illegals.  Again, when you come across a pile of pink bones in the desert, it's hard to judge.

For these reasons, we are all very competent at search and rescue.  We had a large number of EMT's and other first responders amongst the normal agents.  When something very serious popped up we could call on BORSTAR (Border Special Tactics and Rescue) who are a specially trained unit of paramedics and rescue specialists.

With the size of the desert, we'd do everything we could to find people who were left, or in distress - but you can only spend so many man-hours on someone.

Many more illegals died at the hands of their smugglers (commonly called "coyotes").  These were often the result of horrific vehicle accidents.  The smugglers would crash a truck carrying 30-40 people standing up in the bed.  You can do the math I'm sure.  These were the really serious incidents, where you'd have a dozen illegals killed and a dozen or more sent to hospital for serious surgeries, some paralyzed etc.

I, myself, only came across a handful of dead bodies in my time with the Patrol.  I did respond to a couple of crime scenes, a homicide etc.  I partook in search and rescue efforts a handful of times, and did find a number of stranded people.  All in all, a dangerous place.  I only ever really felt sorry for the kids.  Some groups would leave behind 8-12 year old kids who couldn't keep up with the group.  That angered me.  No one should put a kid through that, or leave them behind to die.

i have to do a research paper on "why should marijuana be legalized" and i thought maybe this would be a good place to start. do you have any thoughts on why it should be legalized?

Asked by donna james over 4 years ago

Let me preface this answer by saying that I've never smoked marijuana.  I had plenty of opportunities to in college, but I don't smoke and never felt the need to try it.

I do believe that it should be legalized though.  It's a simple, non-deadly drug which is less harmful or dangerous than alcohol.  Marijuana possession has stocked our prison system with millions of people who don't need to be there (though, due to being in prison - they often become criminals in the long run).

My opinion: legalize it, regulate it's production (so that it's safer) and tax the crap out of it.

I understand this would require a lot of new laws, and procedures.  I do think you should get a DUI if you're caught out driving while high - because it does reduce your reaction time and motor skills enough to be a hazard.  This is the hardest part about legalizing it.

The reality of legalization is that it likely won't happen.  The U.S. government has invested so much time/money/effort in villainizing the drug that I doubt they could abruptly change their stance.  That would require swallowing an awful lot of pride.

In addition to this, legalization of marijuana should not be pursued as an avenue to "shut down" the cartels.  This won't happen.  The cartel organizations are far too large to be destroyed by such a simple tactic.  They would simply fight each other for the now-legal production of marijuana, and devote their manpower and expertise to other criminal enterprises or more of the serious drugs (cocaine, meth, etc.).

Also, if we legalized marijuana, and taxed it heavily - cartel provided marijuana might still be sought after because it would potentially be much cheaper.

I'm essentially all for legalizing it, but I don't imagine it will happen anytime soon on a federal level, and I do not see it as a cure-all for the cartel problems.

is there any way to know about a family member that was cought crosing the border ?

Asked by brittany12 over 4 years ago

There is no release of information from a station or sector level.  An illegal immigrant is only kept in custody at a station for less than 24 hours (often not more than 12).  As a safety precaution we do not release information/names/locations of individuals in custody.

A person can contact the Mexican/Other consulate within 24-36 hours and they should keep a record of people returned to their country.  In the event that an illegal immigrant is sent to jail or prosecuted they will eventually get a chance to make a phone call/contact relatives etc. (like a normal incarcerated/prosecuted person).

 

Was it depressing that the border was such a revolving door? Did you feel like you were making a difference when a new crop of illegals would show up every day?

Asked by Isaac over 4 years ago

Yep, very depressing and stressful.  Living in AZ it's more than obvious we're not making much of a difference.  From Phoenix to the border the state has been flooded with illegal immigrants.  You'd see hundreds daily just on the drive in to work.  So, short answer - no I did not feel like we were making much of a difference.

It was also very obvious from the agency perspective that there was no genuine desire to effect real change.  The USBP is about 50% just a dog and pony show.  But we all knew that.  We busted our butts, worked hard - but at the end of the day we knew the government etc. was not genuinely serious about "closing the border".