Emergency Room Manager

Emergency Room Manager

Veroniche

Western Region, US

Female, 54

I’ve been an ER nurse manager since 2009. Previously, I spent 24 yrs as an ER nurse. My hospital, a Level III trauma center, sees 70,000+ ER patients/yr. My responsibilities include billing, federal/state regulation oversight, metrics reporting, software education of e-records, and hiring/termination/disciplinary actions. The ER is one of the key impacted areas of healthcare reform. It’s a scary and exciting time for us, not just in the care of patients, but what the future holds for healthcare.

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Last Answer on May 25, 2014

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What inspired you to go into nursing?

Asked by ShipofFuels over 7 years ago

I’m afraid I don’t have a wonderfully inspiring story of how I got into the nursing field. I would love to be able to say that the life of Florence Nightingale drew me into nursing, but it was a lot simpler than that. I was originally a music/piano major, and came to the realization that I did not want to practice the piano the rest of my life. At that point I had no idea what I wanted to be when I grew up, but needed a direction. Many of my friends on my dorm room floor were nursing students and I thought “I could do that,” and that’s how it started! Once I got into the classes and clinicals, I loved it!

How often do nurses go back to school to become doctors?

Asked by sayahhhh over 7 years ago

I have seen a few, but mostly I see RNs getting advance nursing degrees like nurse practioner, and Masters or Doctorates in nursing. It is a different mind-set, nursing vs physician. There is a different approach to the patient and a different scope of practice. I think being a nurse would help you be a better physician, though, because of the time a nurse spends with the patient, and the interpersonal skills needed.

In a recent Republican debate, Ron Paul was asked whether uninsured patients should be denied ER treatment and he responded that that's what freedom was all about: the choice to take your own risks. The (conservative) audience cheered, although it wasn't clear whether it was merely in approval of individual liberty, or in favor of letting uninsured people die. As a professional healthcare provider in the trenches, how do you feel about it?

Asked by Kyle over 7 years ago

Individual liberty--feel strongly about it! With great privilege, however, come great responsibilities. Freedom without responsibility is anarachy. Responsibility without freedom is slavery. I think greater people than me said those things before.... As Americans, we have individual liberty, and also responsibility to others. Letting uninsured people die--what kind of question is that? That's kind of like asking the question "when did you stop beating your wife?" I think you can come up with a more thoughtful and informed question than that. Let me help you think about what you are trying to perhaps ask-- Is there a limit to what we, personally and collectively, should spend on keeping people alive? What responsiblity do we (personally and collectively), have to others in terms of their healthcare and financial responsibility? Should people be accountable for the choices or decisions they make that are under their control?--ie, should others pay for uninsured patients that smoke, are overweight, ride a motorcycle without a helmet, etc? Former Colorado governor Richard Lamm said about 30 years ago "the elderly should just die and get out of the way." That is a polarizing statement. Ask me a question that puts some thought into it, because these are the very questions that healthcare professionals and government officials wrestle with every day. I'll try to answer that with my opinion and the opinion of others that are more qualified than me.

Why are ER bathrooms so frequently filthy? I'd think that in hospitals of all places, there would be more concern with germs and therefore more attention to the upkeep.

Asked by Mr Clean over 7 years ago

They are dirty because they need to be cleaned more! We have three bathrooms for 58 patients, and two public restrooms. They are cleaned once a shift (three times a day), and more if we call them, but it is hard to keep up with them. When the budget trimmers come around, housekeeping is looked at as a non-patient care item, so sometimes the axe falls with those type of departments first. However, a lot of the hospital complaints have to do with cleanliness and I would agree that we don't give that as high of a priority as we should. You can tell a lot about a place by how clean it is/or not. And that is not even taking into account all of the infectious diseases and just plain yuck that you may see. Kind of like a subway platform. Now I digress a little--but follow me here. Any hospital is highly regulated--thousands of pages of rules and regulations that we have to follow to keep our federal funding. The cleaning of blood has different rules, bodily fluids are different, chemicals used to clean are very specific. We can't just wipe off a toilet with a wet wipe like you do at home and call it good. The hospital has a whole department devoted just to making sure that we all follow the rules. The rules and regs are there to protect the patient, and sometimes we spend more time trying to keep the rules than taking care of the patient and keeping them happy and safe.

I went to the ER with a tonsil infection, was looked at by a doctor and given a morphine drip, and sent home later that day without even being admitted. A month later, I got a bill for $14,000 (i am not exaggerating in the slightest: $9,000 hospital bill, $5,000 Doctor's bill). When I filed a complaint, they told me it was so high because I'd been given the most severe non-trauma classification possible (level 5 or something), which apparently I was not even allowed to contest. Who comes up with those absurd valuations?

Asked by tonsils over 7 years ago

You got a morphine drip for a tonsil infection?  Sweet!!! Seriously—the premise of all emergency visits from the perspective of the physician is that we look for the things that are going to kill you first, and then work down from there.  A severe tonsillitis can cause obstruction in a person’s breathing, or cause an abscess in the tonsil that is a surgical emergency.  A level 5 charge sounds totally appropriate (without reviewing your medical record, of course).  How the ER charges for the care is determined by the federal government.  There are 5 levels, 1 being the least (like stitches being removed), up to a level 5, which are sick people, some who don’t have to be admitted, but come in with a potentially life threatening problem, which yours could have been.  How much the hospital charges for each level is up to the hospital.  In our area, the ER level charges are pretty much the same no matter what hospital you go to. As I mentioned in a couple of previous posts, emergency care is very expensive—one due to it being mandated by the government without funding assistance; everyone pays more to balance out for the people who can’t pay.  Just like auto insurance is high for everyone because of those folks who drive without insurance and then get into an accident…. If you have insurance, the insurance company usually contracts to pay a certain percentage of what the actual bill is.  It is unlikely that the your insurance paid the hospital $9000.  Probably more like $3500.  If you don’t have insurance, most hospitals will negotiate a lower price similar to what the insurance company is paid, and work with a payment plan. I’m glad you are ok, because I have seen patients die with what you had.

What draws a registered nurse toward working in an ER as opposed to a 9-to-5 doctor's office? Are there different personality types that are attracted to one vs. the other?

Asked by ayehotpants over 7 years ago

ER nurses are a special breed! Type A, mavericks, strong personalities who won't take a lot of crap from other nurses. Most of us love the fast-paced environment of the ER--the constantly changing patients, the interesting and strange things that we see on a daily basis. There is a "detective" element to this nurse--what is wrong with this patient? It is a challenge to take a patient who may only say "I don't feel good" and figure out what is wrong and help make them better. Many love the "blood and guts" and we have been called adrenalin junkies. We work very independently, and need to make quick decisions that may have life or death consequences for the patient. Great multi-taskers, we have eyes in the back of our heads, just like mom. The ER is open 24/7, holidays included, so if you want banker's hours, this job is not for you. Most shifts are 12 hours, which can be a killer as you get older (I’m 54). The ER nurses generally are younger and very physically active. The clinic/office nurses are drawn to the more long term nurse/patient relationships and working with the patients in lifestyle changes, education and management of their health problems. The hours are more "regular," and the job is not as physically demanding.

What's the most bizarre thing you have seen? Or perhaps the craziest thing you have seen someone put in a bodily orifice?

Asked by tjspot over 7 years ago

The creepiest thing I have seen, I wouldn't call it bizarre, but I will never forget it--a patient came in with his arm amputated just above the wrist in a farming accident. When there is a chance to put the part back on, there is always a staff member whose responsibility is to take care of the amputated part. In this case, it was me. I opened the cooler (the patient had been flown in from a rural area), and the arm was just lying there in a plastic bag in a container on ice. It reminded me of "Thing" from the Addams Family. I almost expected the hand to climb out of the cooler by itself. By the way, the surgeons were able to reattach the hand and with a lot of physical therapy, it ended up being a pretty functional hand. Anything you can imagine has been put in a bodily orifice. From the common Lego up the nose, bean in the ear, lost tampon (how do you forget about a tampon?), and you can let your imagination run wild, it has probably happened. There are stories all over ERs about this, but this one was one of my patients--a young man inserted a thin glass chemistry tube about the size of your pinky into his urethra. He had to go to the OR to get that removed. This was not in an orifice, but here is the scenario--I was there. A gentleman had placed a common hex bolt around a certain body part and low and behold it became stuck. It became a medical emergency because the blood flow to the body part was being stopped and it was becoming blue, no blood flow. We had to get a pair of bolt cutters from the hospital engineers, and the physician who happened to be 9 months pregnant, was leaning over the gurney trying to get enough strength to cut that 3/4 inch bolt off before he lost his member. She's nearly in labor, he is screaming and thankfully it worked. After about an hour, he regained blood flow and his pain went away. He said "thanks" and walked out the door. Whatever.... I'm sure there are better stories out there, but I only want to refer to what I've seen or done myself.