Xander
Hollywood, CA
Male, 32
I promoted at several of Hollywood’s hottest clubs during a period of unemployment, mainly to see what all of the fuss was about. While it was fun and definitely had its perks, it also confirmed quite a few of the suspicions and stereotypes I’d previously held about how the industry works.
Bottle service is awesome ... as long as someone else is paying for it. It's a pretty expensive way to get self-esteem. But if you have a couple of friends who drink and run up bar tabs then maybe the premium of bottle service isn't that bad as long as you keep it to one bottle. But once that runs out, so will any chicks at your table.
It varies quite a bit but I'd say a decent mid-level promoter makes about $25K per year. Most of them have other things they do on the side - usually acting or personal training. Sometimes dealing drugs. Many of the lower level promoters are involved in scam or almost scam industries like payday loans, pre-paid legal services, mortgage loan modifications, multi-level marketing, etc because they aren't real 9-5 jobs and allow the flexibility to go out during the week. Sketched out yet? Mid to high level promoters can make from 60-100k. The top of the food chain can make 150k-200k+ believe it or not. All for pouring liquor down chicks throats.
There is definitely a hierarchy. At the top are the promoters that deal directly with club. They are a known brand and bring the "right" people (read: white people, hot girls, Hollywood hipsters, low-level celebs). The promoting team will be small and often consist of trust-fund kids. At the bottom are ethnic promoters with ethnic crowds. They are like cattle herders, just trying to bring the most people through the door who are willing to pay cover. Being a promoter is very much a chicken-and-egg type of thing because to get hired by good venues you need a good crowd and to get a good crowd you need to be already promoting good venues. There are really two ways a promoter can move up the hierarchy. One is to start at the bottom working for a club that is looking for more business. They'll be actively looking for more promoters and might give you chance. Slowly you build your crowd by promoting crappy places well until you have a good enough following to get a slightly less crappy place and that will attract slightly less crappy people to your "list" (which is really just numbers in your phone that you text). This positive feedback loop continues until hopefully you cease to have crappy people and actually have a good crowd. By far the easier way to do it is to find a promoter who is already doing good venues and become his sub-promoter. You'll be listed on the clipboard as one of the promoter's "subs" and he will get credited for the people you bring (but you'll have your own tally to delineate between your people and his). Usually you'll have some minimum number of skanks - I mean people - that you'll have to bring each night to keep being his sub. Eventually if you bring enough people you might become his promoter partner. Ideally the promoter you work for is a friend so he knows and trusts that you'll bring good people (i.e. hot girls) and doesn't do things like steal your people or not pay you for people you bring in. If he doesn't know you then you'll have to convince him that you have hot girls you can bring out.
Plan ahead. Know how hot (or not) the venue is. Get there early, brings girls if you can. Dress appropriately. Be nice to the bouncer but not too nice. Don't throw a tantrum; it looks retarded. Be ready to grease. Sneak in a flask so your money is spent getting in and not on overpriced drinks.
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How do you see parents failing in their children's education?Let me say first say that I don't have a problem with anyone. Every ethnicity is welcome at my house. Clubs, however, are more racist than old Southerners. In the words of Chris Rock, "If it's all white, it's alright." Clubs would prefer to not have too much of any ethnicity other than white, lest their club become known as "the Asian club, etc" The sterotype for Persians, and again I am pointing out the sterotype not my personal opinion, is that they are rude and obnoxious and scare off the women by being too aggressive and reacting angrily when rejected. Perhaps it's endemic to LA but that's what it is. Clubs with heavily Hispanic or African- American clientle are thought to be prone to violence.
If there's one thing people standing on the other side of the velvet rope aren't, it's original. The same things are said: "But my friends are in there" (and they ditched you? Shitty friends) "But I'm on the list" (weird, I don't see Dickhead listed here) "It's my friend's birthday" (there's always Facebook) "I know the owner" (not well enough, apparently) The best story is my own. Before promoting I once hired a high-end escort to walk me in. I didn't go online and call her up. She just happened to be at the hotel bar we were pre-partying in. I paid her $50 to walk in with me to the nearby club. I'm sure it was the easiest money she made that night.
Take a giant sherpard's crook and go to the nearest fashion school. Round 'em up and hand them bottles. No actually mass texting is the promoters tool. You collect phone numbers by any means necessary, group them by how attractive they are (seriously) and text blast away. Facebook and email is also used although the former has a tendancy to get lost in the mix and the latter is primarily effective for holidays (e.g. Halloween, New Year's Eve).
Ha! This made me laugh. Um, yes this one time, every weekend, at every club, ever. I've rarely heard of quid pro quo situations. Girls are getting into the club anyway if they are cute and not if they aren't. They certainly don't need to do anything "compromising" but do they anyway. Frequently. Short of being famous or paying for it, being a promoter is the easiest way to get laid ever. It's obscenely easy, like you'd have to actively try not to have sex like some sort of monk. I've never been a bouncer but I've seen women throwing themselves at them so i know it's same story. Lots of General Manager's offices (in the club) have a mattress or a couch and you can imagine what those are for. My promoting partner would hook up with 2-4 new girls a month without ever going on what normal people would classify as a date. Seriously, fish in a barrel.
I've personally never seen it because I worked mostly classy places. But there have definitely been incidents particularly as the clubs start attracting the less-optimal crowd. I can remember specifically a bouncer being shot and killed at a club called Vanguard a couple years ago
I went out a lot and wanted to be on the other side of the rope. I was unemployed at the time so it seemed like a natural fit. And yes, also I wanted to have sex with hot club girls.
None of this will come as a surprise to anyone who has gone out in Hollywood more than once. Whatever you think of it as an outsider, it's much worse as an insider. The club's General Manager will explicitly tell promoters that there were too many Mexicans or Persians or fat chicks. Most places in LA don't even bother with the illusion of a line anymore. It's just a mass of people at the front and the door girl/guy or bouncer hand picks who comes in. Hot girls have first priority obviously. There is a preference for white and especially blonde. I've seen them wave a group of girls in and then when they get to the fat one in the group, pull the rope in front of her. Being dressed well helps for both guys and girls. They’re loathe to let guys in because they know the frustration of not getting in leads to guys springing for bottle service and that's how the club makes its money. Really good-looking guys who dress like Hollywood hipsters can get in without girls but everyone else better grease, buy bottles, or know a promoter really well (like you saved his life in 'Nam). Age is a much bigger impediment for women than it is for men. Oh and one last thing.... there is no such thing as a list. The promoter didn't type up 4,000 names to hand to the door girl. It's just an excuse to not let you in (ditto for "private party" or "we're at capacity.")
This might come as a surprise to you but club people aren't big on history, myself included. Although I like the idea of a club promoter Hall of Fame. Like it would have framed Ed Hardy shirts from 2008 and a hall of coke vials used by the rich and almost famous. Maybe an artist's rendition of the first bathroom stall sex circa 1961. I'm going to look into this. If you are looking for club history, the movie 24 Hour Party People is a pretty good one.
It ranges from less than a year to as much as four years, typically. The average is probably two. Les Deux in Hollywood lasted five years which is the longest I've ever heard of. Much depends on the size of the place. The bigger the place, the more people they have to fill it with and the less discerning they can be. This accelerates a club's demise. It's not a coincidence that the places that had staying power, like Hyde, were small.
Everyone and their mother tells me about how great Austin, TX is. It's like The Wire of cities. I've never been so I can't say. Ditto for Reykjavik, Iceland. I've been to some great clubs overseas in places like Mykonos, Paris, and Rio. I think Toronto is pretty good too. As far as U.S. cities, I think the LA/NY/Miami/Vegas quartet has the well deserved reputation of the good megaclubs. But it depends on what you're looking for. I have a friend who swears that Latvia is the place to be. And I just returned from Thailand which was a little disappointing nightlife-wise.
It varies greatly by how tough the venue is and what you look like. I've greased as little as $10 and as much as $50 (that's per person). But I dress well when I go out and don't bring any Middle-Eastern friends. If you dress poorly or of an *ahem* undesirable ethnicity then it'll be more or less impossible. The bouncer is usually calculating how much crap he's going to get if he lets you in. Alternatively you can grease the promoter to walk you in with his group of girls. He'll be doing the same mental calculation as the bouncer. I've even grabbed girls as they were walking up to the venue and offered to buy them drinks once inside. They aren't as good because of their tendency to ditch guys once the bouncer looks at them sideways.
There's 2 ways to get a club to hire you. One is to find a club that is just looking to get bodies through the door, without regard for too much quality. They'll give you a shot for a week or 2 and if you perform, they'll keep you. The 2nd, and by far easier way, is to find a promoter doing a good club and offer to "sub" for him (meaning become a sub-promoter). Now you work for him and the girls you bring count on his tally. Eventually he'll start paying you and if you do really well, you can go out on your own. It's kind of like being a drug dealer. You start out as Bodie and end up as Avon Barksdale (if you're really lucky / ruthless) In either scenario, you better be bringing girls or your career will be short. How to get them? By hook or by crook. Facebook is the preferred method now a'days but college friends, girls and the mall, random party girls you meet elsewhere. It's all fair but remember that the inventory of attractive girls who club is finite so promoting is a zero sum game. You are taking girls from other promoters to bring to your clubs. So run those other promoters off the corner!
Yes although never successfully. As you can imagine, it's a hard thing to prove. More common is sexual discrimination, when men sue over getting charged when women aren't. This has mixed results. The practice of charging cover charge to men and not women has been successfully opposed and although the practice is still common, clubs have had to pony up and pay disgruntled guys. Courts however have upheld "Ladies Night" where girls get to take advantage of drink specials that the boys don't.
The vibes differ a little but it's all pretty much the same. Bottle service is a relatively new phenomenon and unfortunately looks to be here to stay. The smaller, speakeasy type of place has grown in popularity but without significant bottle service money it's a tough business model. Douchebags and dumb girls aren't going anywhere as far as I can tell. And most of all, reading these answers back to myself makes me kind of ashamed how much I know about it. Pour me a drink.
Definitely. Although it's usually the promoters that hire the girls, and the clubs just hire the promoters. I've seen clubs / parties do the hiring, usually for one-off parties or day time events.
All are true. The lower-tiered clubs that depend on everyone paying cover will usually pay their promoters based on heads coming thru the door. Most promoters get a share of the bottle sales they bring in (usually 20%). And percentage of bar sales is pretty common, much more so in smaller clubs. Like everything in life, just depends on how much leverage and bargaining power the promoter has. But let's be honest, the real promoter compensation is lips, hips and fingertips.
Minimum wage plus commissions on bottles for a VIP host. Hope it went well.
A drink from a girl... in all my time as a promoter it was the first and last time a girl has ever paid for anything.
Stay in school
Au contraire, mon frère If there's one thing 22-year old club going girls DON'T want it's female competition. They don't even like the "friends" they came with, much less some chick with a clipboard with more social status than them. No matter what they say, women go to clubs (at least in the US) not to hang out with their friends or even to meet a guy. They go to play a social status game. And female promoters throw a wrench in that. And they certainly don't help bring guys in. The guys are dumb but the gel hasn't seeped deep enough into their cerebrums to make them think that their best shot is with a female promoter. That's what bottle girls are for. And why would the girl want to do it? This isn't Michelle Obama deciding between the Peace Corps and slanging Greg Goose at 1500% markups. Girls in nightlife can barely make it through their 6 unit course load at the Fashion Institute. They sure as hell aren't signing up for crowd herding while angry dudes at the rope call them the C-word and their so-called friends text them dozens of times because the bouncer is being a dick just because her chubby friend is wearing jeggings. Well even if the pay sucks and it's crazy stressful, at least she'll get laid a lot. No wait, she doesn't care about that.
I wasn't in it long enough for a foursome. I've had some fun but not like a lot of longer-time promoters I knew who could really tell you some stories.
10am - introduce myself to the girl sleeping next to me Ha, I'm half joking Keep in mind, I'm currently retired from the nightlife business. My button-up shirt is matted and hanging from the rafters and my scarfs and rings are gathering dust in my closet. When you first start out you are just hustling. You spend all day on facebook trying to engage girls and get them out, you shop for clothes in your spare time so you can look cool and you think about your clever text that you are going to send. As you build a client base and more of a reputation, you spend more time hanging out during the day with your girls to keep those relationships strong (and most of them don't work regular jobs either so they are free and bored during the week) and going to meetings with the club management. Mostly though you have more free time... lots of promoters are actors or move into DJing eventually. Many are big video gamers. Another thing that changes over time is how late you sleep. The weekends spent up until closing time morph into late night eating and the occasional afterparty. Before you know it you are regularly pounding Red Bulls, going to sleep at 5am and waking up a 1pm. It's now time to quit promoting.
Ladies nights are very effective.....for getting chubby chicks HAMMERED. In a town like LA that caters to high end clubs rather than your neighborhood wet t-shirt contest bar/pub, discounted or free drinks for women is pretty pointless - they aren't paying for drinks anyway.
Not at all. Ask if they need subpromoters. Just be sure to deliver when called upon.
I went to Emerson last week...nice looking club.
If you need me to tell you how to be cool, we're off to a bad start.
Find a good promoter's facebook and you'll see. The promoter is selling first and foremost an (imaginary) lifestyle and secondariliy his own sex appeal. So good party pictures (filtered through Instagram to look even cooler) and shot of yourself impeccably dressed will go along way.
You're only as old as the women you feel.
Definitely not. Even riff raff is willing to pony up $20 to grind their boners on some drunk girls. A club is an image business. That means pretty, well-dressed people.
99% women, 1% high end bottle service (men)
They don't hire promoters for that. Some of the biggest companies hire firms that specialize in social media to do that, but most aren't big on promoting that way. It takes away from the word-of-mouth coolness.
There are many. It can work under the right circumstances like if you cater to a specific audience, say Electronic Dance Music. Host a megaclub club, charge everyone a cover and spend for big name DJ's.
Vegas is of course the ultimate all inclusive.
Believe or not, it is the money-in-handshake thing, usually combined with a half-bro hug. Other times it's literally just handing over discretely. Anything other than waving it hyperactively in front of his face works. Discretion is not as important with promoters as it is with bouncers
Edited the original to be coherent. Discretion is important with bouncers but not as much as promoters for a couple of reasons. One is that bouncers are actually employees of the club whereas promoters are quasi-contractors, usually informal ones. So the bouncer has more of a duty to the club. Another is proximity; the bouncer is usually standing right next to his boss so taking a grease looks bad. A promoter can wander around the club, the line, the parking lot, wherever. So you can actually grease him 40 feet away from anyone's prying eyes. And lastly, the promoter is responsible for his crowd so if he decides it's important that a few dudes gets in whether because they are friends or they paid him, the club will usually give him a little bit a slack. Bouncers on the other hand are paid almost exclusively to say no.
Drugs. No I'm kidding. Kind of. It's really like any personal/concierge service. You get people coming by investing in their experience and cultivating personal relationships. This might mean getting them hookups in different cities, discounts on restaurants around town, invites to cool private parties, or just free drinks at your table. Also can mean hanging out with these people (gasp!) during the day.
Apply in person. Dress well and look the part when you go. They are hiring you based on your look above all else. It helps if you have service experience (even at Applebee's) but not essential.
Drugs. Lots of drugs. I'm half joking. Vegas is it's own animal. They have less of need for promoters because everyone is from out of town so they don't care that much about repeat business. As a result curating the crowd takes a back seat to packing 'em in. And the start up / capital cost of a Vegas club is so great that they couldn't do that anyway. They've got to run people through and charge them all cover. The promoters I know that have done Vegas do it for special events or have graduated to dealing primarily with ballers so they actually have something to offer a Vegas club that the club can't do on it's own, namely people to drop 20k in a night. I would suggest reading a recent GQ article called "The Best Night $500,000 Can Buy"
It happens. The ease depends on a lot of the things like how shady the owners are, how hot the girls are, and how believable her fake ID from Deleware is
I believe just for 18 and over clubs. Unclear how strict they will be about it. I suggest doing something better with your life.
Not in the US but I recently saw it in Australia. There were two lines to the place. The bouncer was shouting at the top of his lungs "Beautiful people only in the this line! Beautiful people only!" then he shined a flashlight in a girl's face and said "Are you beautiful?" and after assessing her, told her stand in the regular line. Her eyes started to well up and she left.
Seperately at another place in the same city, I saw bouncer inform a guy that he wouldn't be getting in because he had a Brazilian ID and the club had had a "problem with Brazilians being too aggressive with the women". The guy had waited over an hour and the place was a gross mess of grinding and people who were way too drunk.
Totally classless in both cases.
In club-life, like in real life, "the little guy" rarely wins
Get a job at a bar or club. You need to learn the business from the inside and make the relationships that will help you later. Nightclubs have huge startup costs so you better have rich parents. Clothing line is a terrible business
The club usually offers it and it's not like you have a lot of negotiating room. And yes, it's usually after a certain threshold is met.
By VIP host I assume you mean promoter and not bottle service. In LA, the girls of FIDM (Fashion Institute of Design and Merch) make up a good portion of the club going population. They're young, they're into dressing up and going out, and they essentially go to an all girls school. It's the perfect storm. Other than that, I would utilize facebook. A lot of promoters organize sorority outings to clubs. Can be OK but they can sloppy off Popov pre-parties.
I believe they call that "irony"
Thanks for the question BigDick.
Despite what looks to me a pretty crappy experience, people are still going clubbing. I personally prefer OKcupid or a night burning off my leg hairs with a lighter but that's just me. I'm old. There are always new faces fresh off the bus from Oklahoma ready to put on that black mini, drink free Grey Goose, and make out with the D-level reality TV "star" that got paid to show up.
Also keep in mind promoters cast a wide net. There might be 5000-8000 numbers in their phone. Someone is coming out. And when you get to that point, your list grows organically by reputation.
Maybe contests aren't your forte then. Cheap beer might be better alternative.
Varies widely depending on how much leverage you have. Like most things in life.
See my answer above to the question that starts with "Starting From Stratch...."
6. They were Persian.
Promoters will tell you if they can get you in up front and before any money is exchanged. If not, are you sure that's the promoter? Could be the valet.
I could write a book as an answer to this.
Overall I think if you have certain advantages, looks chief among them, clubs can be pretty decent places.
Best foot forward...put a lot of effort into your appearance. This means being in really good shape, lots of thought into your clothes and style, and a cool haircut. Getting to know people in nightlife (promoters, etc). And most of all build thick skin. Finding love in a club is a numbers game.
Coke whore?
Nope
Ha! No. The club isn't even really liable for most things and they have insurance (which costs a fortune) for the things they are liable for. If a promoter was held liable for the actions of 2000 drunk and potentially drugged-up bozos, no one would ever do the job.
......i'm pretty sure this girl doesn't sleep around but she did become a bartender at 18 and does it sometimes. can you write out a how-to list for attractive girls that want to live the same lifestyle? i'm 20 and have a fake id."
You're kidding yourself if you don't think she sleeps around. That lifestyle only goes so far until you have to pay the piper.
There's no to-do list except maybe move to LA, NY or Miami. Look hot, got out a lot, if you are attractive enough, the rest comes to you.
Stay in school kids
Ha, I've never seen it but the idea of a bouncer flashing a light in the face of a short-haired Vassar alum screaming about rape culture makes me laugh.
Buy nice clothes, try to bring girls if you can, grease the bouncer. If all else fails, buy botttle service.
Hold on the thought of having a daughter just scared me for a second......ok I'm back. Luckily for my potential future daughter, I don't live in culture where she would need to have family's permission to do something. If she's an adult, she can make her own decision. I would tell her the same thing I would tell a son....do it for awhile but don't stay too long. Also stay away from promoters, those guys are the worst.
I suggest Goood
Keep in mind you are taking career advise from someone whose career choice at one point was to be a nightclub promoter. So take with a grain of salt.
You need to be model good-looking to make that kind of money. And really, that's not enough. The guys that make that kind of money are usually a group of friends of famous/rich fathers. They are really good looking and grew up around party people so they have a huge network of hot girls and connections to attractive people. Ideally the went to high school in Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades or Malibu so they might have a friends who are low-level famous (think Brody Jenner). And they are really good looking so attractive women want to hang out with them.
They're also usually huge douchebags
Does this sound like you? If not, don't quit your day job
The next time I'm on a plane I'm going to try not to think about my pilot considering slut-herding on the weekend as a career option.
This means your facebook profile isn't cool enough. It's not about free drinks or entry, it's about whether they want to actually hang out with you. Do you think girls have any trouble getting free drinks or free entry without you?
You lied, which is a good start to work in an industry that is based on lies. Good job.
It's pretty simple. Fit in to a corsett, put on loads of makeup and flirt with skeezy guys. And occasionally pour drinks for them. Don't sweat it, it's not balancing the federal budget and they'll fill you in on exactly what they expect of you.
I'm not a well versed in the DJ scene. I do know most of the DJ's in LA clubs have DJ agents that get them gigs. Your best bet is to meet some LA based DJ's and ask. I don't think knowing promoters helps much.
I suggest facebook. Do searches for those places and look on their walls to see who is liking or commenting. Find attractive women and see who is commenting and liking on a lot of their pages (they will likely be promoters).
Then again, if you are hot enough, just show up.
Would you rather own the Lakers or be the 12th guy on the bench that gets the clap 3 times a year?
Be prepared to get really sick of every guy asking "why aren't you up there?"
Gentlemen's Clubs are not my forte. I don't really get the appeal. Have these guys not heard of internet porn?
Strip clubs don't use promoters the way nightclubs do. Even the guy with the mullet and the Stone Cold Steve Austin tshirt gets in. I don't get it...if you want to be entertained by a naked lady, go on the internet. If you want to pay someone to pretend to like you, get married.
How many are overweight?
Clubs in LA were littered with PUA's for quite some time. Any girl who had been out more than a few times was familiar with the techniques (most notably, asking an opinion on something).
I unfortunately met most of the instructors and most of them were frauds. Their best techinique was apparently having really low standards.
That said, I've seen it work and in some rare cases work very well but I attribute it to a placebo effect (the guy thinks it's going to work so the confidence makes it so) and just plain volume.
I'm not sure what spreading your name for door sales means. Promoters only know about spreading legs for bottle service.
Enjoy the spam email
Hi Michelle, since you are a girl there is no chance the promoter expects you to pay anything. Assuming he has half a clue. Open bar tab is free drinks. Free drinks are in fact the chief benefit of being a girl so enjoy. I'll be over here paying for my drinks and enjoying my superior physical strength and earning power.
Bottle girl requirements:
- Look hot
The end
Big boobs help but not required
For the most part you don't set the rates, the club does. You don't have much leverage as a promoter so at the beginning at least, you take what you can get. Good luck.
You don't need to do either as a promoter to succeed. But you will need to know more than 10 people
Female promoters never last long. See my previous answer to the question that starts with "Why arent' there more female promoters?"
Yeah...forgoing it all together in favor of online dating.
Sorry not familiar with them. I wouldn't expect them to ask you anything too complicated beside "where da hoes at?"
He needs an agent, who will book those kind of things.
This is not my field of expertise. Musical acts are booked by their agents typically.
What do I get?
Ha! Don't kid yourself. You're not dating, you're fucking
"If you date a nightclub promoter, you should lose your right to vote in the next election" - Neal Brennan
First of all, I don't condone doing drugs. Unless they make you feel amazing. Or help you have fun. Or relieve stress. Or get an attractive person to sleep you.
But if you are going to do them or get them, Vegas is among the easiest to do so. Find a sleazy looking guy at a table and ask straight up.
By hook or by crook.
I suggest social media as the most efficent means. But promoters are always promoting. Friends of friends, strangers at the mall. Women are everywhere.
What in Sam Hill is this question asking?
See previous Vegas question
Yes they do care and the better the club the more they care.
They manage the process through the promoters. The promoters will be liable for bad bottle clients just as they would be for fat girls. Since a good promoter knows he will catch flack for selling bottles to a bunch of overly-agressive poorly dressed fat guys, he will make it a point to meet the client or at least check out his facebook before actually selling a table to him.
Here's where it really gets devious. If you try to book directly with the club (some clubs allow this on their websites or over the phone) they will ask for a credit credit to hold the reservation. What they are actually doing is looking at your name. So a Brett Weinstein is going to have an easier time getting a table, will have fewer bottles to buy, and get a better table location in the club than will a Mohammed Al Tareni
See previous answer to the question "How much can a club promoter make in a year?"
18 or 21 depending on where you live
Strip Clubs don't have promoters, not like regular nightclubs. Remember nightclubs are tasked with bringing in girls, not guys.
That's a bouncer. Or doorman as they would call it there.
Yes, a girl can definitely have that job. Bar210, Hemingway's, and Bar Marmont are a few places that have/had girls at the door. Be prepared to be called the c-word.
The only capital required is human capital and by human capital I mean sluts.
Depends on whether you charge cover or not. If so, a cut of that is appropriate (usually $5 of $20). If not, you can get more creative in the ways of screwing him over.
Depends how much you are making now. Whatever he says you can make sure the real number will be less
I'd say it looks shady
Apply in person. It's 95% looks. The other 5% is mostly a high tolerance for skeezy guys
They do. But it's because they are crooks not because they can't turn a profit.
If you see a promoter with Ace of Spades or Cristal it means a) a rich client bought it and the promoter is just stealing his thunder or 2) he sold many, many more bottles and the club made tens of thousands of dollars so they can afford to kick him a bottle that cost them $300.
No one is going to pay you more than you are worth to them
Only if the club is good.
If you are an attractive girl, yes. Much like most of life. If not, it will be
harder.
Seems like he would be a better person to ask.
It's likely a comp admission
Not up to the promoter. The DJ and general manager handle that. In general clubs offer different music on different nights to segment the crowds
Bottle girls usually get 20% of the bottle plus tips.
See previous answers to this question. Short answer - start meeting as many girls as possible.
If it's a one-off event, you probably won't get a percentage of the bar. If you do, you won't have any negotiating power so take what you can get. As a promoter you are paid in easy lays.
You can make a decent living as a promoter but you absolutely can't raise a family. Bottle service and bottle feeding don't mix. While the money at the higher levels are adaquate, the lifestyle isn't. Good luck explaining to the mother of your newborn (who still carries the baby weight around) that you can't change diapers, you've gotta hit the club to pour Grey Goose down skank's throats until 4am.
And retirement? You'd drop dead first.
See previous answers to the same question. Short answer....by hook or by crook. I recommend social media now a'days.
The short answer is they hustle.
Mostly facebook and other social media now (instagram is big). If you project the right image and are fun and attractive, clients especially women, show up. The more people you know, the more will seek you out and your job becomes easier. It's a network effect.
Usually she's called the VIP hostess (when she's not being called the c-word)
Mom?
Depends how good the club is. As a rule of thumb, if your kid is in high school, please stay home.
See previous answer on this same question
Depends greatly. I've seen as high as 20%
See previous answer to the same question. Short answer....why?
Depends on your area/city. You don't have a lot of negotiating power as a promoter at least at the beginning.
Bahahaha. You know who models end up sleeping with? Creepy guys and players.
And yeah they might play up liking them for free drinks but it's a symbiotic relationship. The promoter needs them at least as much as they need the promoter.
And in reality they hate them because they've slept with them only to realize the promoters are sleeping with tons of other girls too.
Please send your pic and phone number, better yet just stop by....
Ok I'm kidding. Apply to places in person. If you are a good as you sound, they'll hire you.
Do you look like a porn star? Then Miami Bottle Girl might be the right career for you. Inquire in person.
Never been to Ft. Lauderdale so can't speak to that. I imagine it's a JV version of Miami.
Keep in mind, in either case you'll have to live in Florida. So there's that.....
Bringing hot girls is the ultimate thank you. Or buying bottles from him. It's rare to tip but it's nice when it happens. It's like anything in life, money talks.
If you are getting a table, then advanced notice is great. If not, the promoter doesn't care, just show up and hope the door guy let's you in.
The places I went to in Sydney didn't use promoters. Not sure if that's standard there. Start talking to people and you'll figure it out.
Animate people? That's what the drugs and alcohol are for.
I'm unfamilar that but was my nickname in high school
You're not going to find a lot of table clients on the street. You're selling $500 bottles of vodka, not bacon-wrapped hot dogs. You find them through your relationships and yes, you can immediately tell them you're a promoter.
Not technically. Bouncers get in more trouble than promoters. And for the most part the both just pocket the $.
(Continued) ... And wants to keep us as clients for the future. Should I send a thank you gift after the party? Or should I just keep going to his events? Does he expect anything at all? I only ask because even though it's predominantly girls he helped get a few guy friends in for free, and I've only met him recently. Thanks, in advance, for the advice!"
Yeah sounds like he wants you as a client. I would be dumbfounded if a girl gave me a gift. I'm certain he doesn't expect one. Going to his events and bringing attractive girls is the best thank you that you can give a promoter. Ok 2nd best.
Thanks sir or madam. I couldn't agree more. It's about time Xander The Promoter became Xander the Life Coach. Like Oprah, all the best ones have a single name.
It means either being the bottle girl or the girl at front with the clipboard. Pay varies but bottle girls can make a lot on tips (and usually 20% on the bottles)
See previous answer to same question
Depends on the bar and the city. And how attractive she is.
It helps. The best DJ's have agents. Otherwise it's a bunch of networking and trying to get your music heard
Small local bars don't usually use outside promoters
I wouldn't say it's your best bet. You should be focusing on places where the women are over 25 (when they are less looks focused) and where they might actually hear you when you say you're a surgeon. I suggest bars and restaurants.
Also I'd consider shaving your head. The half moon bay look isn't good.
What is your inmate number, Freedom? :)
I haven't seen hair down there since I stole my neighbors 1973 playboy magazine (this was last week)
I've found g-strings are typically the norm
Hi Mom! Glad you could join us.
Why did you think she got it in? Her wit?
I'm going to need to photographic verification of said daughter's hotness. Then I can tell you if she'll meet a decent guy or not (or a descent one for that matter)
Social media. Instagram and facebook are your best friends. Take some amazing pictures, even if it's all 32 people crammed on to a single bottle service couch.
Under 21 clubs suck.
If by party you mean do drugs, it depends. It's hard to stay up that late without some chemical assitance but most promoters stop at Red Bull or Adderral.
If you mean party...like go out. Yeah that's the job.
In the world? Yes. They get paid to convince men that they find them attractive
Do you look white? The bouncers are not going to give you a 23andMe DNA test. They'll take one look and decide.
Same way you do for any club. Knowing someone is almost irrelevant, it's all how you look and what your male / female ratio is. So, Kate, if you're cute you'll get in and you'll meet promoters soon enough.
Happy Early Birthday! Sounds like it's going to be a sloppy night.
If you park your car anywhere in Hollywood on a typical night, you'll come back to your car covered in flyers for clubs, many of which will offer discounted entrance. Otherwise, find an awful promoter and he'll offer you the same.
Question cont'd - "Couple other good looking guys who are motivated as I am to really just bring in these hoes. I need to make a team. Me and 2 or 3 other guys and thats the hardest part."
Thank you, Sir.
You've got two options. One is focus on building relationships with girls and once you have enough, jumping ship to join up with a better promoter. They'll find you if they see you with attractive girls. The second option is meeting good looking club regulars and convincing them to promote with you. I'd say option one is the slightly easier option if you can prevent your new buddy from trying to steal your girls.
These hoes ain't loyal
Apply in person. It's 95% looks
Networking usually. For the good ones at least. I've see bar/clubs post on craigslist for promoters. I imagine those places have metal detectors at the door.
Vegas promoters are much more concerned about bottle clients and much less concerned about curiating a crowd since the crowd is mostly out-of-towners so there's little repeat business. Also the clubs are so big and expensive that you need bottle clients and bodies, not a handful of super attractive women.
Also Vegas promoters are scummier.
Define "model"
Email flyers are popular. Hard flyers left on car windshields is another popular one amongst crappy clubs. My car looks like it's been through a parade with all the crap on it after a night in a hollywood parking lot.
Promoting = hiring a promoter. It's right there in the name.
See previous answer to question that begin with "Starting from scratch....."
Every 42 year old thinks she looks 32
Basic Club Ho's would be a good name for a band.
Bottle service. Promoters get a cut of bottle sales they bring in
First of all, that's awesome. Kudos to you, I imagine she was hot. Please send pics.
I'm guessing there's no legal statutue that says you are allowed into nightclubs despite banging the manager's giftfriend. So you're probably going to have to go somewhere else.
Like most people in nightlife, they don't make much. You don't do that job for the money
The club's General Manager handles this
Promoters don't get involved in acts for the most part. It's straight from club to the acts and their reps, usually
Depends on your profit margins after renting the venue, etc. I assume you want to make a profit? $5-10 would be typical
I live walking distance from it. It's not good anymore so "hey I'm not fat" should be enough.
If not, the standard rules apply. Bring girls, be nice, look good, know a promoter, show up early, and if all else fails, be ready to grease the bouncer.
Let's not debate what makes a "model" which really could be anything, I've met some beat models. But yes, the most attractive/quality girls don't want a promoter boyfriend. They'll bang em once but if a chick is hot she wants to do better than a scumbag promoter.
You have to meet those guys outside of the club. In LA, a lot of them train MMA so joining an MMA or Jiu-jitsu gym is a good way.
You're having trouble giving away $2000? Maybe promoting isn't for you.
Asian Girl Promoters from Florida sound like a really specific voting demographic.
You'd find them clubbing. You'll start seeing the same girls again and again. Go talk to them.
Also, move out of Florida.
Meet as many club GM's as you can. Have a demo for them. Network a lot.
Avalon is still open? Wow
The entire business is run on this principle. Take money from some rich, older "investors" who made their money in something boring (finance, real estate, oil and gas, insurance, etc) and sell them on being cool by owning a nightclub. And yes, it can get you laid.
The film business works mostly the same way.
Ask right off the bat. Or off the back, if you're a chick I guess.
Subscribe to the Bravo network. Watch 5 minutes. You'll get it.
".....have to go that long without having a drink or much actual fun, (under 21 clubs most likely suck) What would you reccomend? Are any certain clubs easier going with regards to under 21's being let in or sold alcohol? I'll be with other London models. The drinking age in London is 18 but they i've been going out since I was 16 as I knew the promoters and nobody really minded.. Thanks for the help!"
It depends on the club. You'll probably find LA stricter than London in this respect. Your best bet is to find a promoter you can get you in. If you're a bunch of models with British accents, this should take about 5 minutes.
See previous answer to same question
Question cont'd "
"Or downtown, Can there be accommodations since hispanic is not a race, so there's a lot good looking white- male hispanics, who like go to a club alone, cuz friends can't make it, or white hispanics are rarity, can clubs make an exception, or accomaccommodation to this problem, since many white-hispanics are the classy ones, not the ghetto ones.?"
This question makes my head hurt. Bottom line is the bouncer decides in half a second whether or not to let you in.
Hard to say as an outsider to your marriage and every marriage is different. How do you feel about alcoholism and HPV?
The biggest club I worked on had a capacity of about 1500 people and a unlimited capacity to annoy me.
Ha! I love this question. If she's a woman, some club will let her in. But you're asking whether a good club will let her in. The short answer is yes but it depends on who else is with her. You are judged by the company you keep.
You've got the texting style of an underage, Adderall-addicted club girl so the promoters will probably find you soon enough
I assume you are asking as someone that wants to promote and not just try to hook up with these girls.
Asking if they go clubbing is good. If they do, don't just try to get their number and leave. You're building relationships, not just phone numbers. Get to know and start hanging out with them.
Then you can be a scam artist or pervert.
A VIP host is just a really delusional promoter.
"Saudi's" as you call them are the bulk of the bottle clients in LA. Most promoters start out saying they don't want to associate with them but the money always changes their minds.
Not sure what you mean by secret locations. Secrets are hard to keep in this town.
18 or 21, depending on where you live. Whatever you do, don't be over 30.
Your girlfriend is lying to you
In da club. Look for the best looking dude you can find.
We're really getting into the nitty gritty questions now.
Err on the warm side. Hot and sweaty is associated with sexiness. And in the winter it'll be especially welcome.
If you have the place, this won't be difficult. Hot club girls are always broke so offering them free or almost free rent is pretty appealing for them. If you aren't in financial position to offer that, find a rich dude who is and become his bummy roommate in exchange for access. There are lot of these guys in LA....
Yep, that's what the clipboard is for
Thankfully no. Had to retire due to carpal tunnel syndrome from pouring bottles down women's throats.
If you're a promoter over 30, you've really screwed up somewhere.
Mostly towards the money launderers running the clubs. But among promoters, it's all a negotiation.
Sounds like your bases are covered. Instagram in particular is great for cultivating a personal brand and reaching out to chicks.
Technically, yes. Technically I could hook up with the girl in my office that cuts herself. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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